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From: Yair Davidi [mailto:britam@netvision.net.il]
To:  heb_roots_chr@hebroots.org
Subject: Two Houses Reunited? part-three 3/3
ARE THE TWO HOUSES REUNITED TODAY?  Part 2 of 2
REFUTING ARGUMENTS BY ORTHODOX JEW --- YAIR DAVIDI
>
>The Israelites identified themselves with the House of David of 
>Judah, and God makes sure that we understand this, for it was always meant to be.
>
>
   YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
True. It was meant to be but it was not. They should have remained loyal 
to the House of David but they did not.
[1-Kings 12:19] SO ISRAEL REBELLED AGAINST THE HOUSE OF DAVID UNTO THIS
DAY.
This traditionally was written in the time of Ezra after the return of the 
Jews of Judah from Babylon.
[1-Kings 12:20] AND IT CAME TO PASS, WHEN ALL ISRAEL HEARD THAT JEROBOAM 
WAS COME AGAIN, THAT THEY SENT AND CALLED HIM UNTO THE CONGREGATION, AND 
MADE HIM KING OVER  ALL ISRAEL: THERE WAS NONE THAT FOLLOWED THE HOUSE OF 
DAVID, BUT THE TRIBE OF JUDAH  ONLY.
The two kingdoms remained separate until they were exiled as the verses 
quoted above show.
>
>Theologians who insist that the division between Israel and Judah never
>ceased, or that it is continuing still in our day are ignoring the
>scriptures which shows otherwise. It was never meant to be an ongoing
>division. Moreover, the God fearing kings from the southern Kingdom like
>Asa, Jehoshaphat, Hezekiah, and Josiah spoke of the 12 tribes and 
>offered up sacrifices for them all [5].
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
This is a commandment. As long as you have a temple service you have to 
offer up sacrifices for all the tribes. The Tribes still exist but not all of them are with 
Judah although a small minority of them probably are just as some of 
Judah are with the Lost Tribes.
>
>This is God's doing and an indication that this
>separation was for God's own purposes.
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
True. It was part of a Divine Plan.
>
>All agree that the tribes have to return to Israel. Even those who take
>the position that the tribes are still out there understand that without
>fulfillment of the return, we make scriptures void. Because biblically
>speaking, if the tribes of Israel have disappeared,
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
not disappeared but rather lost knowledge of their identity. There is a 
difference. This knowledge can be restored. That is what we and others are attempting 
to do.
>
>then the fulfilment of
>the prophecies cannot take place. So we see only two options exist. That
>they either have returned, or that scripture is wrong
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
How can scripture be wrong?
Why can the tribes not return in the future as scripture says they will?
>
>and they don't exist
>anymore as a Jewish race. For there are not 10 unknown Jewish tribes out
>there in our day to return,
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
who says? There are 10 unknown ISRAELITE tribes still out there.
See our publications.
>
>or to become that one stick God speaks of.
>Because they already have!
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
Then why say it?
>
>Ezekiel 37:16-17
>
>"Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it,
>For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take
>another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all
>the house of Israel his companions: And join them one to another into one
>stick; and they shall become one in thine hand."
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
Ezekiel is prophesying about the end of days. In continuation he says:
[Ezekiel 37:22] AND I WILL MAKE THEM ONE NATION IN THE LAND UPON THE 
MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL; AND ONE KING SHALL BE KING TO THEM ALL: AND THEY 
SHALL BE NO MORE TWO NATIONS, NEITHER SHALL THEY BE DIVIDED INTO TWO 
KINGDOMS ANY MORE AT ALL.
>
>The prophesy is clear, both Judah and Israel would be joined again as
>one.
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
So they will but up until now they have not been re-united.
>
>So where are these 10 tribes now?
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
Amongst western peoples especially Britain, Ireland, the USA, Canada, New 
Zealand, Australia, South Africa, France, Switzerland, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway, 
Sweden, and Finland.
This does not mean that everyone in these nations is desacended from 
Israel but rather This is where most descendants of the Lost Ten Tribes are to be found. 
Read our works.
>
> In reading Theological material you are
>likely to come upon every myth concerning the 10 "alleged" lost tribes of
>Israel that you can imagine. They are purported to be everyone from the
>British,
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
true
>
> the Japanese,
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
not true apart from a possible minority.
>
>the Scots,
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
true
>
> the American Indians,
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
perhaps true in part but problematic for the whole
>
>to the Mormons.
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
true since they descend from western peoples.
>
>But
>the claim that the tribes of Israel are now literally some other race is
>ludicrous. Biblically as well as rationally. What happened to these 10
>tribes is a matter of biblical record ... God is letting us know that all
>the tribes of Israel (without loss) is represented here. The Remnant as
>prophesied, not the whole body "as imagined." As also Ezra clearly
>illustrates.
>
>Ezra 6:17
>
>"And offered at the dedication of this house of God an hundred
>bullocks, two hundred rams, four hundred lambs; and for a sin offering
>for all Israel, twelve he goats, according to the number of the tribes of
>Israel."
>
>Ezra 8:35
>"Also the children of those that had been carried away, which were
>come out of the captivity, offered burnt offerings unto the God of
>Israel, twelve bullocks for all Israel, ninety and six rams, seventy and seven
>lambs, twelve he goats for a sin offering: all this was a burnt offering
>unto the LORD."
>
>This was not a split israel, sacrifice was offered for all of Israel that
>were there.
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
Sacrifice was offered for all Israel as commanded. A small portion of all 
the tribes probably was present BUT the overwhelming majority of the Nrthern Tribes
were in captivity and on the way to "losing" knowledge of  their Israelite 
Identity.
>
>Twelve bullocks, one for each tribe of the children who were
>carried away, and are now come out of captivity. After the Babylonian
>captivity, the terms "Jew" and "Israelite" are used interchangeably. That
>is not rhetoric, that is a biblically illustrated fact! ...
>
YAIR DAVIDI REPLIES:
True since the Jews are also Israelites.
Cf what we quoted in the past:
The Great Jewish Sage Nachmanides (1194-1270) pointed out that
Ezra and Nehemiah mention the names and tribes of the people who returned 
with them. ONLY members of the Tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi are mentioned.
[In BRIT-AM issues nos. 1 & 2 relevant extracts in English from the 
relevant article of Nachmanides were published].
Cf.
Nachmanides:
 Our sages (Talmud, Baba Batra 15;a) recalled that Ezra was the one who 
wrote the Book of Chronicles. His aim was to let us knew the genealogies 
of those who returned with him from Babylon. Ezra in Chronicles begins 
his account with Adam at the head and from whom all the genealogies 
begin. He keeps going in summary manner until he comes to our own tribes 
of Israel. He then first gives the genealogy of Judah at length. After 
that he does not give the genealogies of all the other tribes but only 
some of them and these he goes through in summarized form until he gets 
to Benjamin....It is as if he is saying that, he really has only to relate
the genealogy of one other tribe apart from Judah. The tribe spoken of is 
the tribe of Benjamin whose genealogy together with that of Judah he has 
already given. They are the ones who were exiled to Babylon and they are 
the ones returning in the time of Ezra. The other tribes have their 
genealogies given, "In the book of the kings of Israel" This book [-that 
has since been lost] is perhaps in their hands in their place of exile. 
Ezra then goes on to tell of the settlement of those who returned with 
him: "Now the first inhabitants that dwelt in their possessions" [1Chr 
9:2]. That is to say, those who were the first to return from Babylon 
settled in their citie. These included Israelites, Cohans (i.e. priests), 
Levites, and Nathinim as stated expressly in the Book of Ezra, "in the 
cities of Judah dwelt every one in his possession in their cities, to 
wit, Israel, the priests, and the Levites, and the Nethinims, and the 
children of Solomon's servants" (Nehemiah 11;3). [The Books of Ezra and 
Nehemiah are now separate books but Nachmanides refers to both of both 
together as "The Book of Ezra."]. He goes on to say, "And at Jerusalem 
dwelt certain of the children of Judah, and of the children of Benjamin. 
[Neh 11:4]. He also said, "And in Jerusalem dwelt of the children of 
Judah, and of the children of Benjamin, and of the children of Ephraim, 
and Manasseh" [1Chr 9:3]. He only recalls in detail however the 
genealogies of Judah and Benjamin whose names and family-trees he 
elaborates upon. Even here he does not give all the genealogies but only 
a section of them as is the practice in Scripture. He also speaks of the 
Priestly families and the Levites, whom he says "hitherto waited in the 
king's gate eastward: they were porters in the companies of the children 
of Levi"[1Chr 9:18].    
We have explained this section in accordance with the opinion of our 
sages of blessed memory. These said that in the time of the Second Temple 
a few refugees from the other tribes also came up. They did not come from 
all of the other tribes but only from Ephraim and Menasseh. [Another 
authority however, Tosefot in Arakin 32;a, says that, "from each and 
every tribe a few returned"]. These few were not enough to be termed a 
tribe in their own right or even part of a tribe due to their minority 
position they were included amongst the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin 
and dwelt in their cities. This Second Redemption [of Ezra] was not meant 
for the other tribes. 
These are the words of Nachmanides and this is the BOTTOM LINE. You will 
not find in the Books of Ezra and Nehemiah any Israelite mentioned who 
returned from Babylon who was not from Judah, Benjamin, or Levi. In these 
books the Tribal genealogy is emphasized repeatedly over and over again. 
All the other tribes are missing.
                                       END PART 2 OF 2
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               YAIR DAVIDI AND BRIT-AM
   BRIT-AM is an ORTHODOX JEWISH Organization
  #1) Do Orthodox Jews believe in Replacement theology? NO
  #2) Do Orthodox Jews believe in Christian British Israelism? NO
 "Brit-Am  Israel".  (Brit = Covenant, Am = People in Hebrew)
 "Brit-Am  Israel" at present is headed by Yair Davidy and by Rabbi
Abraham Feld.
 The address of  "Brit-Am  Israel"  is Yair Davidy, "Brit-Am Israel",
 P.O.B. 595, Jerusalem 91004, Israel.
The e-mail is : britam@netvision.net.il
 "BRIT-AM  ISRAEL" BELIEVES:
 *  The Hebrew Bible is the message of God.
 *  Out of the original 12 Tribes of Israel Ten were lost. Two
 remained. The present-day Jews are descended mainly from the two
 remaining Tribes of Judah and Benjamin.
 *  The Khazars were a Kingdom in southern Russia many of whose
 leaders converted to Judaism. The Khazars were descended from the
 Lost Ten Tribes. The Khazars were blood-relatives of the Picts who
 went to Scotland, and of the Anglo-Saxons, and of peoples in
 Scandinavia.
 * In addition to the Khazars, many  other converts to Judaism 
 through the ages were descended from assimilated Jews or from members
 of the Lost Ten Tribes.
 * Most of the Lost Ten Tribes migrated to Northwest and Western
 Europe and their descendants are now in those areas or in North
 America, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa.
 * We do not claim that all residents of the said nations are
 descended from Israel. We do however affirm  that most descendants of
 the Lost Ten Tribes are residents of those nations. On the whole 
they are unaware of their Israelite Identity.  Even so in the course
of history  the Israelite origins  of peoples in those areas have
influenced national developments and national characteristics.
 *  The Tribe of Joseph was divided into  two other Tribes: Ephraim
 and Menasseh. People from ALL of the Israelite Tribes congregated in
 North America but in general the U.S.A. is dominated by Menasseh.
 Britain has characteristics of Ephraim.
 * Reuben was important in France, Issachar in Switzerland, Benjamin
 in Belgium, Zebulon in Holland, Dan in Denmark, Naphtali in Norway,
 Gad in Sweden, the country of Finland was influenced by the Tribes of
 Simeon, Issachar, and Gad; Simeon, Dan, and Ephraim were important in
 Ireland.
 * There is a need for the present-day  "Jews" of Judah and the Lost
 Ten Tribes to recognize each other, and to work towards
 re-unification and reconciliation.
 * Proof exists confirming "Brit-Am  Israel"  Identity beliefs. Some
 of the evidence has been presented in works by Yair Davidy such as
 "The Tribes" (1993), "Ephraim" (1995), and "Lost Israelite Identity"
 (1996), as well as in articles in our journal "Tribesman". Much
 additional evidence is available and needs to be uncovered and
 published. Our sources include the Bible, Talmud, Midrashim,
 Commentators, Classical Greek and Roman historians, Chroniclers,
 Legends, Linguistics, Archaeology, and where pertinent racial and
 other scientific studies.
 * Even though much of the evidence has been revealed by ourselves it
is not ours alone. Our proofs have never been properly refuted. The
basic claims we have made are irrefutable. If one cannot deny our
claims and there is nobody else who can it follows that one should
accept them. This means that  the identity of the Lost Ten Tribes of
Israel with western peoples should be acknowledged.  Once this
acknowledgment is forthcoming  it is possible to discuss whatever
practical conclusions need to be made.
 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE, IN DISCUSSION, AND/OR IN
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NOTE FROM EDDIE:
FYI:  Yair Davidy is an ORTHODOX JEW. He does NOT believe in:
#1) Replacement theology
#2) Christian British Israelism
   Yair Davidy / Brit-Am / Orthodox Jews DO believe in:
#1) The Restoration of BOTH houses of Israel in the future (the 
Messianic redemption or the Ingathering of the Exiles) (Ezekiel 
37:15-28) when the house of Israel (The Ten Lost Tribes) join 
themselves to / with the house of Judah in the end of days.
   Recently, I ordered from Brit-Am and read the first three issues of
the MAGAZINE BRIT-AM. The articles and the information in the magazine
was OUTSTANDING. 
    It is VITAL in these days in which we live to understand that the
belief in the restoration of both houses of Israel / Messianic
Redemption / Ingathering of the Exiles and the reuniting of Ephraim
(Ten Lost Tribes) with Judah and Ephraim returning to Torah is a
fundamental and foundational belief of Orthodox Judaism. It is one of
the 13 articles of Jewish faith and a prayer for the Messianic
Redemption / Restoration of both houses of Israel is prayed THREE
times a day by Orthodox Jews. 
  I would HIGHLY recommend that our newsgroup members subscribe to the
Brit-Am magazine to gain a greater understanding of Orthodox Jewish
belief regarding this issue. In a recent edition of the magazine,
Brit-Am stated that they have come to the conclusion that the primary
religion of the Ten Lost Tribes today is Christianity. 
Brit-Am declares that this information is VITAL to your 
understanding of the Bible and Hebraic Heritage Ministries Int'l
agrees. Please consider obtaining the first 3 issues of the Brit-Am
magazine and subscribing to future editions.
Yours for the restoration of both houses of Israel,
Eddie Chumney
Hebraic Heritage Ministries Int'l
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