From: Yair Davidi (britam@netvision.net.il)
To: heb_roots_chr@hebroots.org
Subject: Notice of Brit-Am Meeting in Jerusalem - April 17, 2001

NOTICE OF APRIL 17 BRIT-AM MEETING IN JERUSALEM

On Yom Shelishi (Tuesday) 1700 17-4-01
there will be a preliminary meeting of Brit-Am.

The meeting will be in the Hilton Hotel in the lobby on the 2nd floor:
(just go one flight up the stairs in the entrance) Subjects to be
discussed will include:

Agenda and details of Main Meeting on May 1st.

Enhancement of Brit-Am message: deeper and wider penetration
of the message.

Ways to deepen felt presence in Jewish community in Israel possibly
through establishment of a think tank on national-religious ??? under
the auspices of Brit-Am.

How to enable people overseas to become members of an international
Brit-Am organization.

Any other ??? or subjects participants want to discuss.

The main meeting will be on May 1st. The purpose of the present
meeting (on Tuesday) is to tone our approach up and attempt to clarify
our attitude on some of the ???

People present will probably include:
Rabbi Avraham Feld
Zippora Nechama
Yair Davidi
John Hulley
Ephraim Frank
Del Griffin (ben Yosef) has his own following with ideas parallel to
our own with some differences. He will give a short summary of his
ideas followed by discussion. Shmuel ben Yaacov Azriel ben Moshe Chaim
Hyman Benyamin Other Brit-Am followers and sympathizers will be
present. Anybody who is in Jerusalem at the time and wishes to attend
the meeting is very welcome to do so.

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From: Yair Davidi (britam@netvision.net.il]
To: heb_roots_chr@hebroots.org
Subject: Brit-Am Meeting in Jerusalem

REPORTS FROM BRIT-AM MEETING IN JERUSALEM APRIL 17, 2001

On the 17th April we had a meeting.

The meeting lasted more than four hours from 1900-ca 2300

23 people were present which is not bad considering that only 2 days
prior notice was given. The meeting was held on the patio of the
Hilton Hotel in Jerusalem overlooking the Old City. It was quite
intensive. The meeting has caused quite a lot of controversy though
only very sketchy reports have gone out so far. We will post several
reports describing the meeting: We will also have to answer some
controversial points that have already been raised and more will
follow. Below is a framework: Dell Griffin arrived accompanied by his
wife, two Rabbis of calibre, and his lawyer. Dell said that

1. Brit-Am should not emphasize British and West European origins concerning the
Lost Tribes.

2. He said that a framework should exist to enable
Gentiles to convert to Judaism yet continue to consider themselves as
"Joes" (from Joseph). Alternately a framework should exist to allow
"Joes" to settle in Israel and keep the commandments without
necessarily converting. He quoted sources. The people who came with
him and spoke after him supported him on some points while expressing
reservations on others.

Brit-Am replied:

1. That we base our claims on what we consider to be facts and these
cannot be changed. We recognize the Lost Ten Tribes as being mainly in
Western nations. This is what the Bible and history states. We also
see a category of "Lost Jews" meaning people who had Israelite or
Jewish ancestors who were lost amongst "Gentiles" and now feel a
revival of Hebrew identification. Amongst Brit-Am sympathizers present
at the meeting were people from Jamaica and Pakistan. They understand
our approach and feel our movement expresses the truth and they can
find their place with us. This is their home. They spoke on behalf of
Brit-Am.

2. Frameworks to accommodate non-Jews already exist. Brit-Am supporter
Rabbi Moshe Kornfield reported that the Rabbinical Institute with
which he is associated has a program for these people. It was pointed
out later by Yair Davidi that if enough "Joes" were to organize
themselves and be genuine in their approach then the Israeli
Rabbinical Authorities would provide a framework for them just as they
have done for other groups. Examples were given and the theoretical
justification explained. [On the other hand I also believe that this
truth should be spread amongst the Jews and that at some stage the
Jews should make an initiative of their own in reaching out to Joseph.
In a small way this is what Brit-Am is already doing].

In addition several other topics were raised with criticisms,
suggestions, etc. Dell's companions spoke and commented. Brit-Am
members gave their points of view and spoke about Brit-Am and what
our attitude should be towards the future and towards potential
adherents. Rabbi Avraham Feld and Ephraim Frank especially raised
points of interest but everybody spoke well. It was quite spiritual,
intense, exhilarating. Brit-Am members were united and spoke out of
mutual understanding. Brit-Am is love, righteousness, and strength on
the spiritual and physical levels. This was emphasized by several of
the speakers and felt by everyone. . We are more than a movement,
almost a people.

Two people sent in e-mails saying that judging by the posts Dell sent
out it appears he arrived at a Brit-Am meeting and took it over. This
is a mistaken impression. He had something to say and arrived with
people of standing who have sympathized with us in the past and who
also had something to say. Out of four intensive hours Dell and his
people maybe spoke for not more than one hour. This includes 7 to 15
minute introductory speeches made by the "guests" and various comments
made in the course of the evening. This is a lot but they did not
dominate the proceedings. They did serve as a catalyst for discussion
amongst Brit-Am people enabling us to become aware of the common
thread at a higher level between us. In my opinion the deepest
impressions were made by rank and file Brit-Am members who spoke with
one voice emanating from one heart.

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From: Yair Davidi (britam@netvision.net.il)
To: heb_roots_chr@hebroots.org
Subject: "What Should Have Been"

"What Should Have Been" or "The Need For Sponsors".
see in conjunction with the accompanying posting entitled:
"The Meeting":

1. What Was:
The meeting lasted for four hours up unto after 2300.
The meeting was held on the patio of the Hilton overlooking the walls
of the Old City. We need some place like the Hilton for these meetings
since it is easy to find, has an ambience conducive to inter-personal
communication and is adaptable.

The meeting was outside but
protected and very nice. The lights were semi-dimmed and there was
also a dim reflection from the city lights outside.This added
something extra to the atmosphere. Light refreshments were served.
Brit-Am footed the bill. The bill was not exorbitant but it seriously
dented our ready cash. We have a problem with funding - there is none
- or very little. We do a lot on a very low budget but to do anything
money is needed. We can always cut corners and do things more cheaply
but expenses remain. Lack of funds cripples our ability to act and
spread the message. Some people lack money and others have prior
commitments. Even so this is important and an effort should be made to
support us and encourage our efforts. This is the Will of the Almighty
and all they who contribute will surely be rewarded.

Yair Davidi and Rabbi Avraham Feld chaired the meeting. Chaim Hyman
began taking notes but had to leave early due to a prior engagement.
Rabbi Feld then took over the note-taking. He did this while
participating in the discussions, answering questions and commenting
on the speeches. These notes are quite copious and detailed.

We have no staff, no secretary or typist and lack the funds to go to an
Office Service. Yair Davidi does all the typing. The notes will therefore be greatly
summarized when possible. A few posts will go out enabling people to
get some notion of what happened. We did not video or tape the meeting
and a lot of valuable experiences and expressions were lost. I
hesitated until the last meeting to request someone to videotape the
meeting simply because of the cost.

What Should Have Been in a More Ideal Situation:

1. We should have sent out invitations well in advance.

2. We should have videotaped the proceedings and then be able to sell
or otherwise distribute video-films of what occurred or put them on
the web.

3. We should have equipment for videotaping, viewing, and
processing. Since the whole thing took four hours, shortened versions
of the video depicting points of special interest should be available.

4. The same applies for audiotapes.

5. The meeting should have been
taped and a transcript made of the taping which would then be
available upon request.

6. We should not have to hesitate in the
future about calling such meetings or otherwise doing things of a
similar nature due to the expenses involved. By expenses I include the
loss of time that could be avoided. Even little things often cost
money.

7. We need sponsors to help us in these endeavors. The sums
involved are not necessarily high ones considering the results that
can be achieved.

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From: Yair Davidi (britam@netvision.net.il)
To: heb_roots_chr@hebroots.org
Subject: Yair Davidy perspective of Dell Griffin's presentation

BRIT-AM MEETING REPORT FROM APRIL 17 IN JERUSALEM

YAIR DAVIDY'S PERSPECTIVE OF DELL GRIFFIN'S PRESENTATION

Dell Griffin (Ben Yoseph) believes (as I understand him) that all
Gentiles belong to the Lost Ten Tribes. He says that this is the
meaning of "the fullness of nations": In the KJ it translates the
relevant passage as Genesis 48;19 [GEN 48:19] ...AND HIS [i.e.
Ephraim's] SEED SHALL BECOME A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS.

The Hebrew words translated as "multitude of nations" are "malo
HaGoyim" literally the fullness of nations. Onkelos and others say
this means they will rule over people. We gave an additional
explanation as meaning that other nations will need them, will depend
on them. Dell Griffin says it means that all nations will be
populated by them through intermarriage
and natural increase. He says that The Ten tribes multiplied
exceedingly and intermixed with other peoples so that today all
nations belong to them. He admits to an especial preponderance of
Israelites amongst Europeans. He also holds that these Gentiles whom
he calls "Joes" (after Joseph) should convert to Judaism and be
accepted by the Rabbis as a separate entity. Alternately he says they
should remain Gentiles but adopt as many of the commandments as
possible and be allowed to settle in the Land of Israel as a separate
entity. He puts out a news report about events in Israel which is
quite good. He also sends out postings describing his spiritual
experiences, some of which may be of interest. I understand that He
believes in Jesus as a messianic figure to some degree. He is not an
adherent of Brit-Am. He spoke critically of Brit-Am at a Brit-Am
meeting and we replied to him. This does not make us responsible for
his beliefs one way or another. His background is that of evangelical
"Gospel" Christianity and he is acquainted with many people in that
field and has had a lot of experience. The same applies to the
Hebraizing Messianic communities, Bnei Noach, and all the rest. He and
his family are currently undergoing a process of conversion. He is
quite active and says that some of his postings are seen by about
20,000 people. he has a reputation of being a genuine and enthusiastic
person. He is interested in the Lost Ten Tribes and active amongst
North Americans who he believes to be (along with the rest of the
world) descended from Israel. In other words the people he talks to
and the subject he talks about to a degree overlaps that of Brit-Am.
That is the background to our dialogue. He was critical of our
emphasis on the West European and British descended peoples and wanted
us to change it. We pointed out that our conclusions are based on
research and we cannot change facts. Also the point is whether we are
right or wrong more than what we agree to say
or would wish to say.

First a word about the meeting. We had wanted a meeting and on the
agenda were several possibilities to discuss none of which were urgent
at that stage. At all events we had already decided to leave all
important final decisions to the big meeting on May 1st. Even so we
wanted a meeting. Dell Griffin had expressed a need to talk with Rabbi
Avraham Feld who would be present at the meeting so we invited Dell to
say a few words about his views and we would discuss them. Dell took
our invitation as being very significant and arranged to arrive with
an entourage of Rabbis and his lawyer. Two of the Rabbi (Rabbi Bar
Chaim and Rabbi Chaim Richman) were known to us, had expressed
sympathy for our activities in the past and also assisted us when they
could. They are also people of high calibre and original thinking.
They came prepared to speak on topics that concern Brit-Am and
questions that people in Brit-Am face quite frequently. There
happened to be present at our meeting Brit-Am members Rabbi Avraham
Feld and Rabbi Moshe Kornfield Shmuel ben Yaacov Azriel ben Moshe
Ephraim Frank and other people who are all qualified to answer the
type of questions that would be raised. Rabbi Gavriel Sussman was also
there on behalf of Brit-Am in an advisory capacity.To get everybody
together again as they then were on another occasion even for a
pre-planned forum would be quite difficult. We therefore let the
agenda take its own course. We participated with remarks of our own
concerning Brit-Am as well as the topics raised and their relevance to
Brit-Am and discussion. Below is Dell's report. He has an
introduction followed by the speech he gave at our meeting. I have
interspersed his introduction with a few comments: Dell describes
himself in the forwarded posting as "A Joe amongst Jews". Not
everyone in our ranks at the meeting was Jewish. On the contrary. It
is true however that when people from Brit-Am meet there is no longer
a real consciousness of the said distinctions. Maybe for Dell all
Brit-Am people seem Jewish?

On the other hand,
Those who criticized Dell or expressed reservations about his points
of view the most openly were those who he brought with him.

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From: Ephraim & Rimona Frank
To: Shevet Achim
Subject: The Brit Am meeting in Jerusalem

Shalom Friends,

As most of you know, more recently I have been involved in helping and
supporting Yair Davidi and Brit Am. Last night we had what was supposed
to be a planning meeting for the May 1st gathering. However, there
seemed to be another agenda before us. The following are my
observations and a few comments on that meeting.

Although not as planned, the meeting turned out very interesting. Some
of you may have been reading for a while now Ben Joseph's (Dell Griffin)
materials. He has been an advocate of the Two-House concept for many
years, and last night gave a portion of his personal testimony and his
opinion regarding the Ephraimites and their right to return to the land
of our forefathers. Currently he is challenging the State of Israel and
the rabbinic Halachic authorities to accept him as a "Jewish Joe" (as he
puts it), or an Ephraimite. He has submitted himself to the conversion
process, which basically establishes that one must leave all aspects of
another religion and become a Halachic Jew. He and his lawyer, along
with other friends who are rabbis, are looking into whether or not
Halachic law can be expanded to include the incoming Ephraimites or
allow for someone to go through the conversion process and still remain
identified as an Ephraimite (and yet be considered Jewish). Quite a
juxtaposition of terms there!

One of the most well-known of all the Halachic rabbis in Jerusalem (if
to judge by the way he was treated) was also there last night. I was
quite amazed at what he had to say. It was tantamount to a revolution in
Judaism itself. Apparently, within their own circles they see the
present rabbinic judicial system as absolutely and totally corrupt and
needing to be replaced. According to this individual, there is a need to
begin to develop another Beit Din (Halachic court), without any
political ties to the secular government. This Beit Din would ultimately
develop into a Sanhedrin. This judicial organization could then study
and come to conclusions in regards to religious and national issues,
such as what was being presented by Dell.

This particular rabbi, along with the others, could not deny the
phenomenon emerging out in the nations, especially amongst the
Christians who are claiming to be of the lost ten tribes of natural
Israelites. He said that if there were just a handful of such people it
could be brushed off as a syndrome of some fanatics, but because it
involves thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people, these
rabbis, who have a concern for the preservation of the Jewish identity,
but as God-fearing men must consider how to handle gentiles (Israelites)
who want to come to the Jewish State. The fear is that the present
system is so corrupt and controlled by the secular government, that
there is no guarantee that we will remain a Jewish entity in the long
run.

Rabbi Haim Richman, of the Temple Institute, a well-known teacher who
travels and has a lot of contact with Christians, expressed major
concerns about the possibility that this movement could turn out to be
another attempt by Christians to make the claim that they are the real
Israel and that the Jews are not. Apparently, in his travels he has run
into Christians who have hurled the doctrine of replacement theology in
his face. However, he did acknowledge the phenomenon, and felt that the
Jews will have to take a closer look at this, in light of the present
situation.

Rabbi Feld stated that basically we have to use the present system of
Yeshivot (Jewish colleges for religious studies) to teach young Jewish
people about the Two Houses and begin to think about the process of
their reunification. He emphasized the importance and place of Halachic
law, but that it needs to be practiced and taught with love, compassion
and mercy.

A great deal of emphasis was placed on the relationships of "God-fearing
people" amongst each other, stressing that they are all welcome to apply
for conversion which would then grant them the right to live in this
land, (whether they have the feeling of being Israelites or not). And,
indeed, theoretically nothing is stopping anyone from going through the
conversion process and becoming Jewish (but whether or not this is the
path Abba has for Ephraim is another matter...). A comment made by the
lawyer present was also very interesting: "If we all are on the paths of
truth, ultimately they will converge".

My impute was basically in support of Brit Am, which is a group of
people supporting Yair Davidi in his research and distribution of
materials that have to do with informing interested people on their
Hebraic, or Abrahamic, roots. I shared that at this point in time the
only stick that is recognizable as a nation is that of Judah, and that
the second one is just beginning to be gathered by HaShem into the
identifiable "ten (lost) tribes", not yet a nation. I commented, half
jokingly, that perhaps Zechariah chapter 10 offers the solution to the
problems that are facing Judah and its Halachic laws. Zechariah 10
states that Ephraim will return to Lebanon and Gilead (which is at the
moment part of northwestern Jordan). Being outside of Jewish national
jurisdiction would make that area free of the need to impose Halacha.

At the end Dell was encouraged to simply drop the dual identity issue
and move on to simply becoming Jewish.

I would surmise that out of the 15 people sitting there, we each had a
different view and opinion on what went on at the meeting. The one
thing that did not happen was a discussion concerning the May 1st
meeting. I asked Yair about it, and he thought that we might have to
have another get-together. He agreed that what took place last night was
essential and important, but was not connected in any what to Brit Am.

I would suggest that when groups of Ephraimite-Messianic-Zionists come
over here that they need to be exposed to and get a perspective of where
their brothers from the Jewish side of the family are coming from. This
would involve Judah taking the responsibility (and perhaps an
organization such as Brit Am), and initiative to begin to organize tour
conferences and seminars. We need relationship building experiences in
order to enhance trust and confidence. There are Fundamentalist
Christian Zionist organizations that are successful in building very
positive relationships with the Jewish nation. I would suggest that
this could also happen among the ranks of those who have basically left
the Christian religious systems and practices, but continuing to
recognize Yeshua as Messiah. This, incidentally, means that in the eyes
of the Jews these Ephraimites are still considered Christians.
Nevertheless, I believe that we can build a brotherly relationship when
walking in the paths of righteousness while not hiding anything from
each other. We both need to find our rightful place in our sovereign G-d
of Abraham's hand and land, especially at this time in our mutual
history, as our paths are starting to converge.

Ephraim Frank

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